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		<title>By: NotLegallyBoundToIt</title>
		<link>http://www.windows7news.com/2009/11/16/the-oem-eula-mystery-unravelled/comment-page-2/#comment-54691</link>
		<dc:creator>NotLegallyBoundToIt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have personally called and talked to M$ legal team when they failed to activate an OEM piece of software to discuss this very matter (and yes it took a good long time and threatening to pirate software to get to the suits). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Under federal contract law in the United States any legal document must be disclosed prior to payment. EULAs are not able to be enforced due to this as the EULA is not disclosed prior to sale, it would be possible to work through a loophole if you were able to get a full refund of purchase once you disagree to the license but again this is not the case as no store or software manufacturer will refund the price paid once the software is opened. As this is the case and the EULA remains locked in the CD/DVD media and is only revealed during the installation process it is not legally binding.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Consider this, if a construction company were being paid to create a home for your family and then after it was built and your money paid they handed you a contract forbidding you from altering, tampering, or giving your key to anyone not considered the purchaser you would laugh and walk away from them. The only difference in software EULAs and this scenario is that one item is tangible and the other is not, contract law applies equally to both.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This was confirmed with the M$ legal team and my OEM copy of a Office XP SBE (the software in question at the time) was activated without any more struggle. Knowing the law of the land can often save you a headache or two, and being able to bring that knowledge to bear on a law professional when you yourself do not have a law degree much less the ability to practice law is wonderful when you are proven right and can back the pro into a corner they cannot escape from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have personally called and talked to M$ legal team when they failed to activate an OEM piece of software to discuss this very matter (and yes it took a good long time and threatening to pirate software to get to the suits). </p>
<p>Under federal contract law in the United States any legal document must be disclosed prior to payment. EULAs are not able to be enforced due to this as the EULA is not disclosed prior to sale, it would be possible to work through a loophole if you were able to get a full refund of purchase once you disagree to the license but again this is not the case as no store or software manufacturer will refund the price paid once the software is opened. As this is the case and the EULA remains locked in the CD/DVD media and is only revealed during the installation process it is not legally binding.</p>
<p>Consider this, if a construction company were being paid to create a home for your family and then after it was built and your money paid they handed you a contract forbidding you from altering, tampering, or giving your key to anyone not considered the purchaser you would laugh and walk away from them. The only difference in software EULAs and this scenario is that one item is tangible and the other is not, contract law applies equally to both.</p>
<p>This was confirmed with the M$ legal team and my OEM copy of a Office XP SBE (the software in question at the time) was activated without any more struggle. Knowing the law of the land can often save you a headache or two, and being able to bring that knowledge to bear on a law professional when you yourself do not have a law degree much less the ability to practice law is wonderful when you are proven right and can back the pro into a corner they cannot escape from.</p>
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		<title>By: NotLegallyBoundToIt</title>
		<link>http://www.windows7news.com/2009/11/16/the-oem-eula-mystery-unravelled/comment-page-2/#comment-49352</link>
		<dc:creator>NotLegallyBoundToIt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have personally called and talked to M$ legal team when they failed to activate an OEM piece of software to discuss this very matter (and yes it took a good long time and threatening to pirate software to get to the suits). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Under federal contract law in the United States any legal document must be disclosed prior to payment. EULAs are not able to be enforced due to this as the EULA is not disclosed prior to sale, it would be possible to work through a loophole if you were able to get a full refund of purchase once you disagree to the license but again this is not the case as no store or software manufacturer will refund the price paid once the software is opened. As this is the case and the EULA remains locked in the CD/DVD media and is only revealed during the installation process it is not legally binding.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Consider this, if a construction company were being paid to create a home for your family and then after it was built and your money paid they handed you a contract forbidding you from altering, tampering, or giving your key to anyone not considered the purchaser you would laugh and walk away from them. The only difference in software EULAs and this scenario is that one item is tangible and the other is not, contract law applies equally to both.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This was confirmed with the M$ legal team and my OEM copy of a Office XP SBE (the software in question at the time) was activated without any more struggle. Knowing the law of the land can often save you a headache or two, and being able to bring that knowledge to bear on a law professional when you yourself do not have a law degree much less the ability to practice law is wonderful when you are proven right and can back the pro into a corner they cannot escape from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have personally called and talked to M$ legal team when they failed to activate an OEM piece of software to discuss this very matter (and yes it took a good long time and threatening to pirate software to get to the suits). </p>
<p>Under federal contract law in the United States any legal document must be disclosed prior to payment. EULAs are not able to be enforced due to this as the EULA is not disclosed prior to sale, it would be possible to work through a loophole if you were able to get a full refund of purchase once you disagree to the license but again this is not the case as no store or software manufacturer will refund the price paid once the software is opened. As this is the case and the EULA remains locked in the CD/DVD media and is only revealed during the installation process it is not legally binding.</p>
<p>Consider this, if a construction company were being paid to create a home for your family and then after it was built and your money paid they handed you a contract forbidding you from altering, tampering, or giving your key to anyone not considered the purchaser you would laugh and walk away from them. The only difference in software EULAs and this scenario is that one item is tangible and the other is not, contract law applies equally to both.</p>
<p>This was confirmed with the M$ legal team and my OEM copy of a Office XP SBE (the software in question at the time) was activated without any more struggle. Knowing the law of the land can often save you a headache or two, and being able to bring that knowledge to bear on a law professional when you yourself do not have a law degree much less the ability to practice law is wonderful when you are proven right and can back the pro into a corner they cannot escape from.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonic</title>
		<link>http://www.windows7news.com/2009/11/16/the-oem-eula-mystery-unravelled/comment-page-2/#comment-46973</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft doesn&#039;t prevent end user to activate the OEM version of Windows 7. Anyone (regardless of whether if you are system builder or end user) can activate the OEM version of Windows 7 on only a single PC. How can Microsoft know who (system builder or end user) is activating the Windows? The point here is the product key can only be used once for a single machine. You can activate at same machine (without changing motherboard) for limitless time. If the product key has been used before, then you are out of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft doesn&#39;t prevent end user to activate the OEM version of Windows 7. Anyone (regardless of whether if you are system builder or end user) can activate the OEM version of Windows 7 on only a single PC. How can Microsoft know who (system builder or end user) is activating the Windows? The point here is the product key can only be used once for a single machine. You can activate at same machine (without changing motherboard) for limitless time. If the product key has been used before, then you are out of luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonic</title>
		<link>http://www.windows7news.com/2009/11/16/the-oem-eula-mystery-unravelled/comment-page-2/#comment-43518</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft doesn&#039;t prevent end user to activate the OEM version of Windows 7. Anyone (regardless of whether if you are system builder or end user) can activate the OEM version of Windows 7 on only a single PC. How can Microsoft know who (system builder or end user) is activating the Windows? The point here is the product key can only be used once for a single machine. You can activate at same machine (without changing motherboard) for limitless time. If the product key has been used before, then you are out of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft doesn&#39;t prevent end user to activate the OEM version of Windows 7. Anyone (regardless of whether if you are system builder or end user) can activate the OEM version of Windows 7 on only a single PC. How can Microsoft know who (system builder or end user) is activating the Windows? The point here is the product key can only be used once for a single machine. You can activate at same machine (without changing motherboard) for limitless time. If the product key has been used before, then you are out of luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.windows7news.com/2009/11/16/the-oem-eula-mystery-unravelled/comment-page-2/#comment-43329</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s merely a matter of if Windows activated, it did so without complaints.  Once installed it asked if I wanted to automatically activate in three days, where it had a countdown in the Computer properties until it silently did its activation.  Maybe there was a balloon notification too.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It was a System Builder&#039;s license with an OEM product key.  The most restrictive thing about the license as I read it was that it had to be purchased/provided with a new computer including a HD/SSD, CPU, MB, PSU, etc.  That and the already known bit where the System Builder had to provide tech support.  I believe that the license is probably non-transferable to another computer.  Some of the wording made is sound like it wanted you to create a ghost image CD once activated so it never had to be installed from media again.  So there may be issues with activating another clean install; who knows.  More likely activating that license key on a computer with a different hardware configuration would be more troublesome and would require a phone call, if at all possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#39;s merely a matter of if Windows activated, it did so without complaints.  Once installed it asked if I wanted to automatically activate in three days, where it had a countdown in the Computer properties until it silently did its activation.  Maybe there was a balloon notification too.</p>
<p>It was a System Builder&#39;s license with an OEM product key.  The most restrictive thing about the license as I read it was that it had to be purchased/provided with a new computer including a HD/SSD, CPU, MB, PSU, etc.  That and the already known bit where the System Builder had to provide tech support.  I believe that the license is probably non-transferable to another computer.  Some of the wording made is sound like it wanted you to create a ghost image CD once activated so it never had to be installed from media again.  So there may be issues with activating another clean install; who knows.  More likely activating that license key on a computer with a different hardware configuration would be more troublesome and would require a phone call, if at all possible.</p>
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		<title>By: kapilharesh</title>
		<link>http://www.windows7news.com/2009/11/16/the-oem-eula-mystery-unravelled/comment-page-2/#comment-43292</link>
		<dc:creator>kapilharesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i did install windows 7 with an oem license, no problems with activation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i did install windows 7 with an oem license, no problems with activation!</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.windows7news.com/2009/11/16/the-oem-eula-mystery-unravelled/comment-page-1/#comment-43230</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very true. To my knowledge, there hasn&#039;t been a case where the legality of the EULA has been confirmed. Still, if MS decided to stop activating OEMs, people would most likely return the software to the retailer rather than seek court action against MS&#039;s EULA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true. To my knowledge, there hasn&#39;t been a case where the legality of the EULA has been confirmed. Still, if MS decided to stop activating OEMs, people would most likely return the software to the retailer rather than seek court action against MS&#39;s EULA.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.windows7news.com/2009/11/16/the-oem-eula-mystery-unravelled/comment-page-1/#comment-43217</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read somewhere that EULA aren&#039;t enforcible as there is no way to prove exactly who clicked the agree button. Like I could have installed my neighbors OS but there wouldn&#039;t necessarily be a way to prove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read somewhere that EULA aren&#39;t enforcible as there is no way to prove exactly who clicked the agree button. Like I could have installed my neighbors OS but there wouldn&#39;t necessarily be a way to prove it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.windows7news.com/2009/11/16/the-oem-eula-mystery-unravelled/comment-page-1/#comment-43213</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read somewhere that EULA aren&#039;t enforcible as there is no way to prove exactly who clicked the agree button. Like I could have installed my neighbors OS but there wouldn&#039;t necessarily be a way to prove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read somewhere that EULA aren&#39;t enforcible as there is no way to prove exactly who clicked the agree button. Like I could have installed my neighbors OS but there wouldn&#39;t necessarily be a way to prove it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.windows7news.com/2009/11/16/the-oem-eula-mystery-unravelled/comment-page-1/#comment-43203</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason why the document is written in &quot;legalese&quot; is that it is a legally binding document. If one can&#039;t understand the EULA, then that is a pretty good indicator that they shouldn&#039;t be buying the OEM version.  The non-OEM EULA is also written in &quot;legalese&quot; but it is pretty easy for a consumer to follow since it is targeted at consumers.  Of course, very few people read the EULA but that is a different subject.  BTW, there is absolutely in this article that demonstrates anything has been &quot;unravelled&quot; by anyone - just a couple observations by one person and meaningless speculation by another....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stephen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason why the document is written in &#8220;legalese&#8221; is that it is a legally binding document. If one can&#39;t understand the EULA, then that is a pretty good indicator that they shouldn&#39;t be buying the OEM version.  The non-OEM EULA is also written in &#8220;legalese&#8221; but it is pretty easy for a consumer to follow since it is targeted at consumers.  Of course, very few people read the EULA but that is a different subject.  BTW, there is absolutely in this article that demonstrates anything has been &#8220;unravelled&#8221; by anyone &#8211; just a couple observations by one person and meaningless speculation by another&#8230;.</p>
<p>Stephen</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
		<link>http://www.windows7news.com/2009/11/16/the-oem-eula-mystery-unravelled/comment-page-1/#comment-43199</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it quite difficult to find the retail version of windows 7 in Indonesia. Most of shops here shamelessly sell OEM. The complete opposite applies when I am in UK. So, I guess most people in Indonesia have already activated their &quot;OEM&quot; copy of Windows 7. I for one, differs from the common crowd and choose Full Packaged Product (aka retail). One of my family&#039;s computer uses OEM licence too, but legally it is fine, since I consider myself a system builder, while my family is the end-user.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it quite difficult to find the retail version of windows 7 in Indonesia. Most of shops here shamelessly sell OEM. The complete opposite applies when I am in UK. So, I guess most people in Indonesia have already activated their &#8220;OEM&#8221; copy of Windows 7. I for one, differs from the common crowd and choose Full Packaged Product (aka retail). One of my family&#39;s computer uses OEM licence too, but legally it is fine, since I consider myself a system builder, while my family is the end-user.</p>
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		<title>By: JonS</title>
		<link>http://www.windows7news.com/2009/11/16/the-oem-eula-mystery-unravelled/comment-page-1/#comment-43196</link>
		<dc:creator>JonS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see any mystery unravelled here.  This article only states that the policy has not changed, but the wording has and then it goes on to question if it is the new policy or old.  To me it sounds like it only added to the speculation and did not really provide any answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t see any mystery unravelled here.  This article only states that the policy has not changed, but the wording has and then it goes on to question if it is the new policy or old.  To me it sounds like it only added to the speculation and did not really provide any answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Post as Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have, oh wait that was an offline activation crack :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have, oh wait that was an offline activation crack <img src='http://www.windows7news.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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