Comments on: Windows 7 E a disaster for European consumers?

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By: billy

billy — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:34:32 +0000

is it that hard to put an exe installer on a flash drive? grow up.

By: billy

billy — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:34:00 +0000

is it that hard to put an exe installer on a flash drive? grow up.

By: billy

billy — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:34:00 +0000

is it that hard to put an exe installer on a flash drive? grow up.

By: Anonymous Coward

Anonymous Coward — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:28:13 +0000

I am aware of what a monopoly is. The EU is quite aware of Linux and Apple.. The EU is also quite capable of developing its own OS if it does not like the current distribution of Microsoft’s product. Microsoft should just sell online access through the USA only AS IS with all the language packs. But, as usual, the socialistic ways of the EU screws everyone. Boo-Hoo.. The EU has been jerking MS around for years. They will ship it without any browser…. Go get your own.

By: Anonymous Coward

Anonymous Coward — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:28:00 +0000

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:07:33 +0000

Sir, it’s called monopoly, so no. Microsoft may not put whatever they want into the OS.
At least one good thing will come from this, I hope. Applications won’t be hard-coded to launch IE anymore. Hopefully they’ll launch the default browser instead.
There is nothing more frustrating than things launching IE instead of the default browser…

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:07:00 +0000

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:07:00 +0000

By: Anonymous Coward

Anonymous Coward — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:00:41 +0000

The best thing is for EU customers just to spoof a US address and download the US version, it comes with multiple languages… Also, the US will get the tax revenues! If you live in the EU, YOU should be outraged! It is freaking Microsoft Windows and it is called Capitalism… M$ can put what ever they want in their products… No one is putting a gun to anyone’s head to buy this system..

Buy Apple or even free Linux distros…

By: Anonymous Coward

Anonymous Coward — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:00:00 +0000

Buy Apple or even free Linux distros…

By: Anonymous Coward

Anonymous Coward — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:00:00 +0000

Buy Apple or even free Linux distros…

By: AJ

AJ — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:01:02 +0000

Well guys let’s put it this way the EU did ask for this. After all they are the ones who keep saying that Microsoft shouldn’t let the OS come pre-installed with their browser in EU countries. Why because apparently it is not giving other companies chance to download other browsers and yet surely Apple should be forced to do the same thing? Will google with their OS when it comes out again be forced to do the same? Who knows but it wouldn’t surprise me if they just targeted Microsoft.

Anyway would be a laugh and Microsoft can just pin it all on the EU or another option would be to install all available popular browsers and the option to delete any you do not want once the OS is up and running.

By: AJ

AJ — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:01:00 +0000

By: AJ

AJ — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:01:00 +0000

By: Joachim

Joachim — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:15:48 +0000

Windows are trying to cover up their mistakes with yet one other crapy operating system.
Yes it looks good. Easy to use, NO!
I left Microsoft for APPLE and I have to say, they are stealing their ideas!
Why cant they be more original??!

By: Joachim

Joachim — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:15:00 +0000

By: Joachim

Joachim — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:15:00 +0000

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By: Anonymous Coward

Anonymous Coward — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:03:09 +0000

I don’t use IE much.. I am a Firefox junkie but, it sure is nice to have IE built in as a back up that is part of the OS.. I think your governments are a bit covetous, due to the fact that MS is an American company, with the richest man in world at the helm… I mean Really, the EU needs to get off of Microsoft’s back. There are no other countries complaining about IE. GET OVER IT!

PS. Macs suck… they are too proprietary and VERY expensive. Not to mention, 90% of the world uses Windows!

By: Anonymous Coward

Anonymous Coward — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:03:00 +0000

PS. Macs suck… they are too proprietary and VERY expensive. Not to mention, 90% of the world uses Windows!

By: Anonymous Coward

Anonymous Coward — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:03:00 +0000

PS. Macs suck… they are too proprietary and VERY expensive. Not to mention, 90% of the world uses Windows!

By: Returned4good

Returned4good — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:32:30 +0000

If that’s the case, then why is this only a European problem? How come no one in USA, Japan, or anywhere else has to worry about installing their browser from a thumb drive?

By: Returned4good

Returned4good — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:32:00 +0000

If that’s the case, then why is this only a European problem? How come no one in USA, Japan, or anywhere else has to worry about installing their browser from a thumb drive?

By: Returned4good

Returned4good — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:32:00 +0000

If that’s the case, then why is this only a European problem? How come no one in USA, Japan, or anywhere else has to worry about installing their browser from a thumb drive?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:40:31 +0000

You do have some points, especially on that Microsoft is not the entire source of evil in the world.
However, Microsoft is a big company and therefore they can also have an iron grip on the market, which they currently are doing.
I would like to see EU attack other companies too, but I suspect they’re attacking Microsoft because Windows is dominating the market (~90%) and is the source of lots of complaints.
I do agree that forcing Microsoft to stop bundling Media Player and IE as part of the OS may not be that particularly good idea; I would rather see them step in on something else, such as ban of too high specs with too cheap models of Windows, but I do absolutely not agree that EU should be blamed for this situation.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:40:00 +0000

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Anonymous — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:40:00 +0000

By: Stephen

Stephen — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:28:19 +0000

A couple points:

First, people blame Microsoft (correctly) for all sorts of things. In this case, the points many are trying to make are that 1) the EU has stepped in (again) with Microsoft on a particular issue where users have already been given a choice to disable, 2) they appear to be attempting to have Microsoft remove a feature from its own OS and allow competing programs to be preinstalled instead, and 3) they do not require the same of Apple. BTW, one of those competing browsers (Opera) is owned by a EU-based company.

Second, what has Microsoft done that every other company out there has not tried? They just happen to have been more successful. The evils of the world are not the result of Microsoft or any other specific company – they are symptomatic of deeper underlying issues related to the focus on the self (i.e., me first attitude) that have become the norm across at least first world countries.

Third, why exactly would Microsoft want to sue itself?

Stephen

By: Stephen

Stephen — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:28:00 +0000

A couple points:

Third, why exactly would Microsoft want to sue itself?

Stephen

By: Stephen

Stephen — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:28:00 +0000

A couple points:

Third, why exactly would Microsoft want to sue itself?

Stephen

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:32:48 +0000

It was not a mistake on EU’s part. It was a mistake on Microsoft’s part.
People complain about EU, but never about Microsoft.
I wonder why, when Microsoft has done so much wrong and still does? Corrupted world? Ignorant people?
Microsoft has itself to sue.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:32:00 +0000

By: Chris

Chris — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:58:25 +0000

You comment that they manage to get the English right with “centre”, but I see that they leave the date in the mixed up American manner. Your article was apparently written on 7 July 2009 NOT “July 7, 2009″ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The screen shots show the date as 7/6/2009 which suggest it was witten on 7 June 2009. The last screen shot shows UK settings which should include UK (and European) date conventions.
I always try to remmember to use the 3 letter code for the month, then everyone knows where they are. Sort routines etc can handle this.
7/Jul/2009 or nicer: 7 Jul 2009

By: Chris

Chris — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:58:00 +0000

By: Alasdair

Alasdair — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:59:16 +0000

If you think about it there is one main way for users to own (and create) a copy of windows 7 E with IE installed…

… By slipstreaming IE into the OS using a program like NLite or VLite. This, however would mean the user would have to have a pc with an OS available to create the Windows 7 IE” disk.

By: Alasdair

Alasdair — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:59:00 +0000

If you think about it there is one main way for users to own (and create) a copy of windows 7 E with IE installed…

… By slipstreaming IE into the OS using a program like NLite or VLite. This, however would mean the user would have to have a pc with an OS available to create the Windows 7 IE” disk.

By: Stephen

Stephen — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:36:08 +0000

First and foremost, you miss your own essential point that this is not an RTM version. Since the EU has not yet even agreed to Microsoft’s suggested approach, this is just stirring up trouble about a non-issue. Will you please point out one thing from a third-party software or hardware manufacturer that has been “permalinked” in the beta or RC? Companies pay for option. Why would one expect they volunteer (during a global recession) to do that while it still a test OS? This is just another example of why people should ignore leaked builds – those builds exist for specific reasons and none of those are to make end-users happy in the present tense.

In addition to those practical comments, I also feel obliged to point out that a little review of grammar and puctuation goes a long way. I don’t normally raise that sort of thing, but when an author brings up the subject of “English” I consider it fair game….

Stephen

By: Stephen

Stephen — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:36:00 +0000

Stephen

By: Rob

Rob — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:24:10 +0000

hey mate, i believe microsoft actually tell ypu to have a disk or some other device ready with IE or another browser on it ready for when the w7 installation is complete so i doubt they will be including it themselfs, good idea none the less.

Source: http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/buy/offers/pre-order.aspx – bottom of the page.

By: Rob

Rob — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:24:00 +0000

Source: http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/buy/offers/pre-order.aspx – bottom of the page.

By: Philip Smith

Philip Smith — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:16:29 +0000

I’m from the UK. I’m planning on buying Windows 7. Will I miss IE? No… but still see no reason why it can’t be included. Will they give away free IE CD’s when you buy a copy of Windows 7 E? You can install it from another disc once you have installed Windows? This way it’s not included on the Windows installation disc, but they give you another disc with it on…… your choice if you wish to install it! Problem solved for the EU??????

Do you feel this would be a good idea or they will come up with another plan?

By: Philip Smith

Philip Smith — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:16:00 +0000

Do you feel this would be a good idea or they will come up with another plan?

By: A, Oliva

A, Oliva — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:31:06 +0000

Theres really no need to comment on this anymore, as its obvious that everyone believes EU made a HUGE mistake on whining.

did EU not see the big part where Microsoft said, YOU CAN NOW REMOVE MORE BUILT-IN COMPONENTS? for Ex: IE!!! jeezuz.

You download w.e browser you want, disable IE and done deal… move on with yer lifes.

By: A, Oliva

A, Oliva — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:31:00 +0000

Theres really no need to comment on this anymore, as its obvious that everyone believes EU made a HUGE mistake on whining.

did EU not see the big part where Microsoft said, YOU CAN NOW REMOVE MORE BUILT-IN COMPONENTS? for Ex: IE!!! jeezuz.

You download w.e browser you want, disable IE and done deal… move on with yer lifes.

By: jsandler

jsandler — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:46:48 +0000

I still don’t understand how this bunch of jealous regulators can make Microsoft to remove IE from their own Windows product. It’s not Microsoft’s fault that these regulators cannot create their own decent operating system and browser. How can they win a case over such an unreasonable and ridicules argument? Why would Microsoft want to include non-microsoft browsers in their operating system? Every operating system includes their own built-in browser, why not Microsoft? These people are jealous of Microsoft success.

By: jsandler

jsandler — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:46:00 +0000